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Sylvia, Meet Lenore

Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
spiders, gardening, slack, home-garden
By Celestina

Lenore. She is about three inches long, not counting the legs.

What's left of the steps...

Squash, on top of oregano, on top of peppers and tomatoes on top of marigolds...

cucumbers lurking (which is what they do best).

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Yesterday morning I wandered outside to turn on the irrigation system for my little garden and discovered a new resident. I found her by sticking my face into her web while trying to evaluate the state of the cucumbers. Given her enormous size and vibrant colouring, I can only attribute my obliviousness to the fact that I was as yet uncaffeinated. I have named her Lenore. My husband, however, says her name is Annabelle Lee. My son insists she be called Ytminish. The spider holds her tongue, which is admittedly the wisest course of action. I present her here today in the hopes that she and Darro's friend, Sylvia, can appreciate each other and possibly set up an email correspondence.

I am also posting some long overdue pics of my garden. It is a tiered rock thing just behind the house, though due to my particular gardening style, I'm afraid the rock walls are not really visible in the pictures. I have been working, these last five years, on developing the ultimate lazy gardener technique. This is partly because I cannot comfortably go out to weed and maintain a garden during the day once the light and heat of summer hits. It is also partly because I have better things to do than garden maintenance (like stare at the ceiling).

The technique, as it currently stands, is based upon just a few principles: close planting, co-planting, and ease of watering. So in spring, I set out an assortment of plants, of both the flowering and vegetable-producing varieties (I do not support segregation). They were planted close enough together to keep weeds to a minimum (weeds must have light to grow, so the less ground exposed to the sun, the better). A second advantage of this technique is that it removes the necessity to stake tomates, as they lean on each other and hold one another up. The only effort here was in fencing off the catnip (I share my home with five cats who do not understand the concept of "delayed gratification"). My son wishes it noted that I stole his favourite stick/spear as one of the stakes around which I wrapped the chicken wire. I contend that I couldn't tell it was special, amongst the enormous pile of sticks he had accumulated by the back door. I have promised ( as I have for two months now) to replace it with something more acceptable. Now if he will please stop reading over my shoulder. Hrem.

Second, as to co-planting. Some plants just like to grow together, and some plants like to keep Bad Bugs away (they are in league with Lenore). So the tomatoes are interspersed with basil, and the squash happily coexists in a miasma of marigold haze. Thus far the only issue we have has is some exotic little bug with a domed back and cottony butt that likes to suck the sap out of everything. Fortunately a combined effort of bug smooshing, extra watering, and heavy fertilization seems to have helped everything outlast the life cycle of whatever-the-hell they were.

Oh, and to fertilizing. I have a worm composter in my bathroom. Takes care of most of the food scraps, and the plants thrive on the results. Once again, minimal effort (and a wonderful thing to display to unwanted guests).

Finally, irrigation. This is the most labour-intensive part of my efforts, taking a full afternoon's effort (and one hell of a lot of beer). The slow-drop and soaker hoses were carefully threaded among all the little plantlings and staked in place. Well worth it, though, as my watering now consists of turning one nozzle on for twenty minutes a day. Next year I want to experiment with a rain barrel hooked up to the hose system. And newspaper in the few gaps between the plants, as there are a few stalwart weeds which have managed to circumvent my measures (and they can stay there, for all I care). Overall, though, I feel I am getting close to a truly maintenance free garden. The only problem is that the plants are thriving so well I'm afraid they're going to take over the walk!

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Eric Atienza

Holy @!$%#. That is like straight out of Starship Troopers.

Also, first!

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
Celestina

Wow...you're quick on the draw! You had that up before I finished my tracking comment!
And yeah, she's pretty damned impressive, isn't she?

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
Eric Atienza

I checked my video feed and saw you were done typing up the article.

I mean...

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
Celestina

*waves vaguely at all the holes in the walls*

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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Celestina

I want to thank the cats for their company, the hummingbirds and the bees (who have taken up residence in my attic) for their pollination efforts, the dogs for trying really hard not to step on anything, and of course the lovely Lenore.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
Brad Leclerc

Cool stuff. Spiders (assuming they aren't coming in murderous, poisionous droves) are pretty cool.

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
Celestina

Spiders are wonderful. And don't you just love Lenore's sexy stockings? ;)

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
Brad Leclerc

And don't you just love Lenore's sexy stockings? ;)

Now you're getting a tad bit disturbing :P

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
hemphill

Oh come on, lenore's a hottie.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 4:25 PM EDT
Celestina

*grin*
I knew someone would understand...

  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
JLTpa

where do you live that you have that kind of spider?

  • 1 vote
#3.5 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
Celestina

Western NC.

  • 2 votes
#3.6 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Perry O

Ah, broken is the golden bowl! the spirit flown forever!
Let the bell toll! -a saintly soul floats on the Stygian river -
And, Guy De Vere, hast thou no tear? -weep now or never more!
See! on yon drear and rigid bier low lies thy love, Lenore!
Come! let the burial rite be read -the funeral song be sung! -
An anthem for the queenliest dead that ever died so young -
A dirge for her, the doubly dead in that she died so young.

That Poe was a right cheery feller.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
Celestina

*grin*
And that's why we love him so...
(I was wondering how long it would be 'till someone caught the reference. Shoulda known with this crew it would be less than 30 minutes)

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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rottlady

You have a lovely garden Celestine. Thanks for allowing us in for a look.

  • 7 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
Celestina

Thanks for stopping by, rottlady. *smile*

  • 3 votes
#5.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:16 PM EDT
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Perry O

And newspaper in the few gaps between the plants

I tried that once and the newspaper seemed to block the water from getting to the soil.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
Celestina

Hm. But, if I put the irrigation hoses under the newspaper...then it should conserve the water, right?

  • 2 votes
#6.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
Perry O

It should. And keep in mind the possibility that I was doing something wrong. I suck at gardening.

  • 3 votes
#6.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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ann in Texas

She really looks like a Lenore, Celestina :)

Your garden is great. I'm impressed by the cucumbers, squash, peppers and herbs -- what a wonderful variety! Hope you don't mind if I clip this to Gates of Eden and Newsvine Gardeners. Have you got a pretty steep slope or does it just seem that way from the first pic?

  • 8 votes
Reply#7 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
Celestina

Yes, I thought so. *smile* And sure, clip wherever.
The slope where the garden is planted would be pretty steep, but most of it is terraced into two to three levels, held up by low stone walls. The only part that really shoots straight down is where the cucumbers are planted, but I just staggered them here and there down the slope and mulched heavily, and they don't seem to mind at all.

  • 5 votes
#7.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
ann in Texas

You really make great use of the space.

I have a worm composter in my bathroom. I'm thinking of redecorating my guest bathroom--can you tell me more about this worm composter?

  • 6 votes
#7.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
Celestina

Sure. All it is is one of those big, Tupperware-like storage bins, into which I drilled small holes all over the lid and down to about 2 inches from the top on the sides. Then you get your starter batch of worms (I got mine mail-order, if you do a search there are plenty of sites which sell them cheaply, just make you get ones for composting, rather than bait or something). You can also go dig some up from your garden, but it's a lot of work to get enough (it's recommended that you start with about 500). Once you get your worms, you want to start out by shredding a bunch of newspaper (not the colored, shiny pages) and soaking it for at least an hour in warm water. Then wring it out pretty thoroughly, and lay half of it in the bottom of your box. On top of it, pile some organic matter. Worms like pretty much everything except for citrus, meat, and fats. They are very fond of coffee grounds, and used tea bags (take out the staples!) are great, too. Then add your worms, and cover them with the other half of the paper.

In the beginning, you have to watch the moisture level. Worms do best when it is constantly damp, but not soggy. If it gets too dry, sprinkle in more water. If it gets too wet, add more shredded paper. After a month or so, it will stabilize. After you have it set up, all you do is add the days food scraps (minus what I listed above). Every time you add scraps, cover them with a little more shredded paper, both to keep the moisture level and to keep the flies out.

When you need fertilizer, just go into the bin and grab a few handfuls of the castings (yes, this is what we call worm poop) and sort of toss them up on top of the rest. Give it a minute, and the worms will migrate down. Then just scoop it out. If you need a bigger batch, you can take a grill top or something of that sort and pile a bunch of the castings on top of it. Again, the worms will migrate down and plop through the grill. Then just use the castings as you would any fertilizer.

Of course, eventually you will have bred a zillion worms...but then you can just take a few handfuls and toss them in your garden.

It's the easiest form of composting I have ever found.

  • 9 votes
#7.3 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
ann in Texas

I am going to try this -- thanks so much!

  • 4 votes
#7.4 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
LaeF1

i've wanted to do this for a while. worms are wonderful. Did you also know that you can cut them up into 9 pieces and they can still survive as 9 different worms? because i think they have 9 hearts, if memory serves... your son probably knows this.

if people have compost and recycle, it should account for almost everything / actual 'garbage' that you throw out would be minimal.

  • 6 votes
#7.5 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
Celestina

Yep, the worm bin was one of the best projects I ever started (I actually began because my son had a fascination with worms...he has since moved on, but it was hardly time wasted).

I find that the composting and recycling helps a lot, but for some damned reason my city will only recycle plastic containers that "have a mouth smaller than the body of the item". Riddle me that.
So I reuse as many of the non-qualifying containers as I can, but occasionally I have to throw one away and it makes me mad every damned time.
Still, the amount we do manage to recycle has the guys who pick it up cursing every other week, so that's gotta be something.

  • 4 votes
#7.6 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:33 AM EDT
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vicaxp

Beautiful garden and amazing spider, er, um Lenore!

Now p-a-lease give your son his all-powerful sword back!

  • 7 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
Celestina

Why thank you.
And...er...I'm working on it. Really.

  • 4 votes
#8.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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Walt D

Cute little thing, that Lenore.

Waitaminnit! Where's the litchi tomato??? It's still alive, isn't it?

  • 7 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 3:27 PM EDT
Celestina

Relax, you. The litchi tomato is doing just fine, putting out more blooms and everything. It's still in its pot on the back steps, though. It is going in the patch I haven't created yet, with the strawberries. I think they'll like each other. Just waiting for a rainy day...

  • 4 votes
#9.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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QACoach

Great article, Celestina...especially in light of all the meta "stuff" of late. However, this article stands on its own...regardless of background chatter...as a fun escape into a now less than "secret garden".

Thanks...and oh, btw, if you get too many tomatoes and squash ripening at the same time...you know we'll take them off your hands! :-)

  • 6 votes
Reply#10 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:12 PM EDT
Celestina

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
And yeah, I'm suspecting I am going to have more tomatoes than I'll know what to do with. Doubt they'd ship well, but I am thinking that many jars of salsa are in my future...

  • 4 votes
#10.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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Forest Browne

Remember when Newsvine used to be filled with excellent writing? I do, and here it is again.

I must admit though I'm known as the plant killer.

Have a great day!!!

Forest

  • 9 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
Celestina

Thank you, Forest.
And you know, plants aren't so hard, you just have to find ones that work with your lifestyle. I sucked with plants for years, and then I got interested in cacti and succulents. Very low maintenance, they were perfect. Now that I do the garden thing, I still confine myself mostly to what can thrive with very little maintenance. Hence the tomatoes and peppers and cucubits. Some day I am going to show up on your doorstep with an aloe plant. They are impossible to kill, just so long as you ignore them thoroughly. ;)

  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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caltha-palustris

Say a little hello to Lenore.

Lurking cucumbers equate to happy pickles. ;-)

The technique, as it currently stands, is based upon just a few principles: close planting, co-planting

Re: co-planting

Planting "ornamentals" with "veggies" is sometimes a very good thing. I've learned that planting lots of Marigolds give deer the "runs", thereby keeping them away from the edibles both veggie or ornamental.

And your hidden steps, the sign of an ardent gardener...leave no crevice - bearing brown dirt - exposed.

Beautiful, Celestina! It's really all about the "well-placed weed". Happy gardening.

  • 5 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
Celestina

Yeah, I love my random mix of various types of plants. My mother has this beautiful garden with everything carefully set out and all the colours beautifully arranged, but I never could get the hang of it. I find this works much better for me.

And as for "well-placed weeds"...*grin* OK, my biggest failing as a gardener is that I know too much about useful wild plants. So the dandelions, chickweed, plantain, poke weed, etc. always get to stay (until I eat them). Much of that greenery growing in between the steps is plantain. I can't pull it, it's been too good to me. I also have some little trees in my garden that I can't bring myself to kill. The mimosa tree is hacked back to a bush, and I am looking forward to seeing whether I can get it to bloom that way. The pines are getting transplanted in the fall. Meanwhile, they are serving as a trellis for the jasmine and morning glory, so I don't begrudge them the space. And did I mention the grape vines, which have been patiently waiting planting in the ground for two years? They have overrun their pot and grown up the bush beside my house. As I type this, they are tapping lightly on the library window, as if to say "You have neglected us too long...and now we are coming for you..."

  • 3 votes
#12.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT
caltha-palustris

useful wild plants

Chuckle. Yes, all cultivar plants have their "roots" in the wisdom weeds.

If I had enough sunshine, I'd grow wild clover both red and white (Trifolium pratense and Trifolium repens). It's so beautiful (at least to me) when massed in color and I also find its leaf structure with its chevron patterned leaves. We have a woodland garden, but hubby insists on growing grass - I've allowed portions of it to develop moss.

I gave up on weeding out wild violets. It makes such a marvelous ground cover after the spring bloomng sweet flower stops.

AND, don't you just love the "volunteers" left over from last year - annual plants that can reseed themselves for the next growing season. How could anyone pitch these troopers into the compost pile - they'll only reincarnate next year. ;-)

  • 4 votes
#12.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 10:23 PM EDT
Celestina

I love the wild violets, and there's a path of red clover at the edge of my garden. I wanted to seed the whole "backyard" area with clover, but have yet to find a place that will sell me clover seed in bulk at a reasonable price.
And yeah...it's all about the volunteers. Why people would make extra work for themselves is completely beyond me!

  • 3 votes
#12.3 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:38 AM EDT
caltha-palustris

Celestina,

I think I read somewhere that it's a biennial...and in that case if I couldn't get my hands on enough seed packets...I'd be tempted to find a clover patch by the road side (while no one was looking, of course), and get out my spade and dig up some first year plants...or my snips and deadhead some seed pods. ;-)

I think it's also a cool weather plant, like Viola, Osteospermum and Rannuculus.

Well, many people - especially professional gardeners don't have the time to wait and see what happens...and either start fresh seed or purchase fully matured plants. Waiting is the hardest part, but it's so rewarding (and I don't admit this to many people, but it thrills me with delight when I see a plant that overwintered or sprung from last year's seed)...

I feel a lyric coming on....

yesterday's endings will tomorrow's life give you,
all that dies, dies for a reason,
to put its strength into the Season,
Survival, Survival,
They take away as we give,
The livings right to live,
the livings right to know.

So soon the evening comes with it runs the aching
fear of hate could Someone still remain who thinks he
still could gain by escaping fate? it's much too late,
don't underrate, appreciate.
And we're all going
And we're all going
And we're all going somewhere!
- John Anderson

  • 3 votes
#12.4 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 10:16 PM EDT
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Djehuty

It looks like a lovely garden. I like overgrown.

However in view of Ytminish I suggest you look for radiation sources. Or Cthulu infestations.

  • 5 votes
Reply#13 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
Celestina

I try to support every plant's lifestyle choice. ;)

And Lenore is perfectly normal, thank you very much. For a spider spawned directly from alien spores. I suspect that by morning she will have a message for you in her web (you did notice her superb writing skills, didn't you?).

  • 3 votes
#13.1 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
Djehuty

you did notice her superb writing skills, didn't you?).

Oh, I thought that was Myk.

Hey who died and made you "king of the plant naming" then? *grin*

  • 3 votes
#13.2 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
Celestina

*grin*
Brat.

  • 2 votes
#13.3 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Angel_C

Love Lenore! I've had several, in different sizes in my flower gardens and around my backyard. Here's something I found about them:

Writing spiders (Argiope aurantia) are orb weaving spiders found throughout the United States. They are characterized as large yellow and black spiders that build their nests around homes and gardens.
They get their nickname from their web construction practices. It appears they write a series of zs or Xs down the center.

Another page of interesting info on this spider is HERE.

Your garden is wonderful--and practical, too!
Thanks for the great article Celestina.

  • 4 votes
Reply#14 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 10:54 PM EDT
Celestina

That's definitely her species...thanks! It's interesting that scientists still don't really know why they make the zig-zags in the middle of the web.

  • 3 votes
#14.1 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
Angel_C

Perhaps they are channeling Zorro!

  • 2 votes
#14.2 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 10:08 AM EDT
Tamh

Ah, Zorro was my favourite Golden Book story when I was about 5 years old- just loved the black horse I think and the black cape! My mum used to pour the milk into my porridge in a 'Z' and it looked cool- it is still "Z for Zorro porridge" in our house :)

  • 4 votes
#14.3 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT
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Tamh

Your garden looks very similar to my garden! Wild- it kind of belongs to itself. I am feeling warmth in the day, longer light and sweet smells in the air. My fingers are tingling- they want dirt!

My kid wants to know: "Is your house green with white trim? Ytminish is a good name."

I do like spiders- my most amazing experience was letting a male huntsman walk up my forearm- breathtaking! Eight little pitter-patters delicately mapping my skin simultaneously.. shivers!

Your spider is a big one!

  • 5 votes
Reply#15 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 4:42 AM EDT
Celestina

*chuckle* Yes, the house is green with white trim. And I will relay to my kid that he has support for his choice of name. He will be so pleased.

Spiders are one of my favourite animals to watch. So delicate and yet so strong. Thanks for sharing your story, I can almost feel it, just reading your words!

  • 2 votes
#15.1 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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rwarner

Beautiful spider!

  • 6 votes
Reply#16 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:56 AM EDT
Celestina

Yes, she really is. *smile*

  • 2 votes
#16.1 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 9:33 AM EDT
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K-d-M 4129

Yeah, when I was a kid we used to have the worms for fishing and we used the expended bedding for compost but they're rather lazy and tend to get cranky when you stir them up all the time and remove their bedding....

After a while we got served with a Signed Court Petition and a "Cease & Desist Order"!

  • 5 votes
Reply#17 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
Celestina

Cranky worms....*imagines little heads...er...ends, raised in solidarity*
Terrifying concept, my condolences. ;)

  • 3 votes
#17.1 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Quite the trauma....Couldn't eat Pasta for years!

But finally, Gummi Worms were a Catharses for me...No one understood the sadistic and distant look of pleasure on my face...."the thousand mile stare"

  • 4 votes
#17.2 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
Celestina

I find that Gummi-anything is good for a little cathartic release. I have long arguments with my son about whether it is better to bite the heads or the legs off first (I contend the legs). And, you know, there's this. But I digress...
Very glad to hear you triumphed, in the end. That which does not kill us, an' all.

  • 3 votes
#17.3 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 10:11 AM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Don't have kids but I do get sadistic crazy with Animal Crackers..Not just the biting off of appendiges but holding their heads under the milk until sufficiently drowned!! It's truly Pathological and goes way back....Should I lay back on the couch and ...please hand me the Kleenex....

  • 4 votes
#17.4 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 10:28 AM EDT
Kavatica

Kleenex handed....

  • 2 votes
#17.5 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 10:45 AM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Oh, and did I mention the Dental floss Nooses and hanging them from the cabinet door handles?...Yeah, That too...Just thought I'd mention that If it's significant.....

Okay, Now it's just getting toooooo weird!......Even for me....And that's pretty weird! haha

  • 3 votes
#17.6 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
Celestina

Gotta admit, I can't top that. Though I did once sacrifice an entire box of animal crackers on an impromptu altar in my car in an effort to get it running again (half a pack of strawberry incense, too). Needless to say, I bit the legs off, first.

  • 3 votes
#17.7 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
Walt D

I once wrapped a 1/4 inch guitar cable into a noose and hung it from the ceiling in the middle of my apartment. I attached a sign saying "Emergency Exit".

Good conversation-starter.

  • 6 votes
#17.8 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Walt,
Not to bring the sad and morose or macabre into an otherwise happy and uplifting web post....but....
Working in as a Mental Health Care person...having seen suicides, live in front of me and after the fact, the creativity and ingenuity that Humans will employ in effecting that end and the resulting effects on the survivors....I would have a difficult time explaining myself to others with such a device in my custody. I have a very difficult time explaining and accounting for my benign and routine activities as it is right here on this forum. Just go back and read my posts....

We'll get back to Happy, Happy now........Funny little Millitant Worms! All in Army fatigues and Pith Helmets..........

  • 3 votes
#17.9 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
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Prosopon Maranatha

Nice spider!
Love the natural and free look of your garden.

  • 3 votes
Reply#18 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
Celestina

Thanks! I love it, too, even when I have to tiptoe down the steps.

  • 1 vote
#18.1 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

This is such a cool story and love the photos. Clipped to Newsviner's Picks.

  • 3 votes
Reply#19 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
Celestina

Thanks, Scott!

  • 2 votes
#19.1 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT
Scott (Scoop) Butki

I saw 6-10 ducks in front of my coffeehouse hangout (which I've declared my Newsvine office) the other day and I envisioned taking photos and writing a story about them - inspired by this piece - and maybe fictionalizing it a bit (I was thinking they could be a new gang) but then I read a meta story and when I next looked they'd gone.

Sob.

They must have just been window shopping.

  • 2 votes
#19.2 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 12:54 PM EDT
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Kavatica

Beautiful spider (and sorry, but I normally am not fond of them. Although I do have a strict you leave me alone and Ill leave you alone policy)

Beautiful garden too! I have all my veggies in pots as I m in a townhouse and need to keep them away from the neighbor children and the neighborhood kitties. One day I will have a full garden where my veggies and my flowers and herbs can all grow and bllom together in peace and harmony :)

  • 3 votes
Reply#20 - Thu Aug 7, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
Celestina

One day I will have a full garden where my veggies and my flowers and herbs can all grow and bllom together in peace and harmony :)

I do hope you get to have that, one day. Potted plants are wonderful friends, too, but I confess there's something strangely appealing in having your own little ecosystem in your custodianship (those generations of farmers in my past did leave their mark, somehow).

  • 3 votes
#20.1 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
Kavatica

Oh I quite agree! In the front of my house I have a bunch of different flowers and a very happy herb garden that keeps getting very out of control. It make me very happy to see everything growing so strongly, especially since I just planted everything last year. Only lost one rose bush, everything else has come back with a vengence :) Got a bit beat up with the huge thunderstorm we had last Monday though, my poor cone flowers keep falling over :(

  • 3 votes
#20.2 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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fugitive247

Sometimes there are certain benefits to not checking one's comment tracker for a few days. This article and the ensuing discussion is a wonderful example. Thank you, Celestina and friends, for adding some joy to a quiet, rainy Saturday night.

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Reply#21 - Sat Aug 9, 2008 11:35 PM EDT
Celestina

Glad you enjoyed it, fugitive.
Wish it would rain here...*sigh*

  • 2 votes
#21.1 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
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DaRrO

Oh, wow. I feel like such a S**t for missing this. I have been overwhelmed workwise and paying little attention. What a magnificent gardenscape you have there! I think the Carolinas might be heaven on Earth.

Sylvia says to pass on a subtle little message to that rare and radiant maiden: "Nevermore". I will post pictures of her babies and food sac eventually.

  • 7 votes
Reply#22 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:16 AM EDT
rwarner

I think the Carolinas might be heaven on Earth.

Truly it is! You should come for a visit. It is really like paradise for me here.

  • 7 votes
#22.1 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:09 AM EDT
Celestina

Oh, wow. I feel like such a S**t for missing this.

Shhh...life happens. Glad you found it, though. Lenore, however, has disappeared. I found what appeared to be a miniature version over in the oregano, but the queen of the spiders appears to be on hiatus. Hopefully she will reappear soon...

  • 5 votes
#22.2 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
DaRrO

Robin, rest assured I'm trying my derndest to get there. (You guys will all be like "WHEN IS HE LEAVING?" if I ever make it! :))

Celestina, Lenore probably went to score some vodka and will return tipsy, when you least expect her, plastered to your Snuggle Room Window.

  • 5 votes
#22.3 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
DaRrO

Once upon a midnight vine, my little twin from Carolina
Asked if I could please design a web she could explore
As my fingers started weaving, eyes observing disbelieving
Words absurd and oft deceiving jotted down the score

Little spiders set to creeping into scenes and poison seeping
Set these little bastards leaping into my front door
"Wait!" said I, the wordy retard, "Surely this should not be so hard"
"Surely there's a way this bard can keep you off my floor"
Quoth the Spiders "Nevermore."

Presently my soul was troubled issues within my heart bubbled
Problems in my life were doubled, tripled, maybe four
"What the Hell?" I asked their leader, "Look at me in my wife beater"
"Look at how I'm so much neater, need I tell you more?"

Scratching head and losing mind I thought if I could only find
A way to pause or just rewind, perhaps I'd fix my core
Making way to snuggle room with guns and knives and several brooms
With purpose, I intended doom to sweep them out my door
An echoed, "Nevermore."

Hell hath never had no fury, save my ex-wife in Missouri
Save the devil and the lure he used to cure this bore
As I set the broom to work I felt like such a simple jerk
The spiders nearly went berzerk and left me feeling poor

Finally I saw the window (this is laced with innuendo)
Spider drama hit crescendo never seen before
Sylvia, my lovely friend, decided it was time to end
Before revolting could begin she sounded out a roar

"All you spiders here had better toe the line to the letter"
"Who's Lenore? You best forget her, worship me - adore."
Then I saw the strangest thing, the spiders as if on a string
Retreated and I heard them sing "Goodbye" to Ms. Lenore
To torment, nevermore.

  • 8 votes
#22.4 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
Celestina

Oh, my. Such chaos, such near disaster, nearly diverted. Such masterful verbal legerdemain.
I really must go look for my spider...

  • 3 votes
#22.5 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
jlp coos

Excellent!

Delightful poetry. What a great talent! Thanks for sharing it.

  • 3 votes
#22.6 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
DaRrO

Thanks and you're welcome JLP.

Did Lenore ever return Celestina?

  • 2 votes
#22.7 - Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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jlp coos

Delightful.

Cohabitation of plants is interesting, isn't it? When I lived with my grandfather, we lived in a mobile home (thats' what they were called then) with a nice screened-in porch and a nice roofed patio. Every spring Grandpa planted stringer beans on strings that ran from a narrow plot at the edge of the patio cement up to the roof. He planted marigolds between the beans. He planted a couple of tomato plants on one end of the row and chives and leaf lettuces on the other end. He said that arrangement kept away certain bugs. We ate green beans every day in the summer. Grandpa would let the top-most beans grow and grow for seed the next year. In mid summer the foliage of the beans also provided much appreciated shade on the patio.

Your description of your garden tickled me on its own, but it also reminded me of my grandfather's little garden.

Thanks.

  • 5 votes
Reply#23 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:47 AM EDT
Celestina

Thank you, for sharing a little glimpse into your childhood. If we could all just remember the things our grandparents tried to teach us, we'd be way ahead of the game (and I would be able to make a pie crust, darn it!).

  • 4 votes
#23.1 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
jlp coos

Grandma took several of her recipes to the grave with her. I miss her. I miss her recipes, too.

It took me 15 years after she died to figure out how to recreate her baked rice pudding. How wrong can you get with rice, milk, and sugar? The trick was knowing when to put the lid on the casserole and when to remove it. Also, round rice works better than long-grain.

Grandma used to make chocolate-dark molasses cookies and cake full of raisins, nuts, spices and so moist and rich that the cake didn't even need frosting. Sooooo delicious! It turns out that Grandpa would take rye grain to the mill and have it specially ground for Grandma especially to make those cookies and cake.

(ASIDE: My grandparents were farmers in a time when neighborly help was crucial to harvest. All the neighbors helped each other in that huge job. Grandpa said that Grandma would bring trays and trays of food and coffee out to the men in the field and her work was greatly appreciated. She always included those molasses cookies or cake, too. The men liked that.)

So, that is an era gone forever. I feel very blessed for having known my grandparents.

Grandma's meatball vegetable soup is also gone forever. My aunt, cousins and I have tried to reproduce that soup. We all make fine soups, but they are not like Grandma's.

Oh, dear. I'm blathering again.

  • 6 votes
#23.2 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:00 PM EDT
K-d-M 4129

That's because Grandma made them.......
That's all...a component to the recipe you will never buy at Wally-World

Same with my Grandma's Oyster and Sausage stuffing.....

  • 5 votes
#23.3 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
ann in Texas

jlp and Kurt,
I have some of my Grandmother's recipes, and can follow them to the letter, but they still don't taste as good as she used to make them.

She made a great chocolate sheath cake. My great aunt made some sort of marbled cake with icing she cooked on the stove -- I haven't come close to recreating that.

Great memories of times spent together.

  • 3 votes
#23.4 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
Celestina

My great aunt had a coconut creme cake that was to die for. I sympathize deeply with the lost recipe plight.

But on the upside, I have managed to preserve a few. Persimmon pudding, lemon chess pie, and my Dad's split-pea soup (the only thing he really knew how to cook). Currently, my husband and I are trying to recreate his great-grandmother's arroz con pollo. It's a bit like an archaeological expedition, trying to piece together what we can remember with what she would have had access to in her time in Spain and Brazil...it's a fascinating endeavour.

  • 4 votes
#23.5 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
jlp coos

All of those recipes sound wonderful.

What is lemon chess pie? Never heard of that before. Sounds intriguing.

One of my fondest memories of Grandpa was soup. After I moved out totally on my own (you may recall from other vine entries that I was emancipated at 15 but I lived with Grandpa and we shared expenses) I continued to visit Grandpa on weekends. That was partly because I missed him, but also because he was getting quite old by then and fixing meals was getting to be a chore for him. If he didn't have something easy to fix, he wouldn't eat. So, on weekends I would bring him groceries and we often made a pot of soup together. We both worked at it. Split pea soup was one of our favorites, but we also enjoyed chicken rice, chicken noodle, hamburger vegetable, chili, bean soup, potato soup. We cooked from scratch and it took a while to make the soup. We'd talk and visit and that was so good. We also made biscuits from scratch and homemade applesauce. Grandpa had some good food that he could just heat up for a few days.

All of you are right about the love that goes into the special recipes. The unseen very important ingredient. Food and friendship is such a lovely combination.

  • 5 votes
#23.6 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:38 PM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Aren't Persimmons just the freakiest little critters? not really plums but not anything else either....They are their own animal! So to speak.....I don't really like them but I find them intriguing...

Now Kiwi's I can eat all day long and I won't stop if they are available. I don't even peel them anymore but I used to until someone from Australia showed me that you don't have to and the skin is very good for you. Lots of nutrients and roughage as is the case with almost all fruits and veggies. Same with Apple skins and cores but I grew up on an Apple farm until I was 15 so I always did that...

  • 4 votes
#23.7 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:47 AM EDT
jlp coos

Persimmons--a rare treat once a year if you're lucky.

Yes, they are strange, wonderful. But if you don't like them, you don't like them. --like spinach and peas that way.

  • 3 votes
#23.8 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:56 AM EDT
K-d-M 4129

I have always wondered...When Chickens get the Flu, Do they eat "People Noodle" Soup?

And

What do Shellfish call it when their shells get cold, moist and tight?

  • 5 votes
#23.9 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
jlp coos

People Noodle Soup? Hmmm. Certainly not with "egg" noodles. That would be akin to cannibalism.

I think clams call that "comfortable."

Funny questions, Kurt.

  • 2 votes
#23.10 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
DaRrO

I personally think Chickens must view the human race as extremely barbaric. Probably when we started killing and eating them they figured out we were inconsiderate. But eating their unborn babies? jeez.

I love the People Noodle Soup and will have to use that.

  • 3 votes
#23.11 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:29 PM EDT
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psdevards

i'm reminded of the saying 'an army can't march on empty stomach";have i digressed too much?

  • 1 vote
Reply#24 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:07 AM EDT
K-d-M 4129

Probably...or as the nouveau urban would say...."prolly"

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#24.1 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:28 AM EDT
jlp coos

An army could eat very well from the goodies in Celestina's garden.

See, you haven't digressed much at all.

Isn't that a beautiful garden?

Besides all the yummies, it looks like a nice place to sit and relax and enjoy a bit of quietness.

  • 2 votes
#24.2 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:51 AM EDT
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psdevards

nice garden;keep it up;ecologists too would love your garden/'niche'.

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Reply#25 - Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:15 AM EDT
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